Okay, I know some of you have been waiting for this for a while in eager anticipation, so here it is... what did I think
of Geonka's 10 day Vipassana retreat?
I arrived at Melbourne airport, expecting to take an early morning flight to Sydney... to give me plenty of time to get me there at my leisure. Instead I found that my flight was cancelled and I had to take another one in the afternoon. I ended up spending the morning at the airport with a slight feeling that the universe was telling me something.
After a long train journey from the city centre to the Blue Mountains, taking in the amazing sunset, I arrived at the retreat. I was a little late and missed some of the introduction. No matter, I knew the jist of the rules anyway. I was shown to my shared accomodation, which was a quite okay shared bedroom... just me and one other guy who I didn't get to know since it was already 'Noble Silence'. I'm sure he was a nice chap, but I wasn't really there to socialise so that was fine. The rooms had a bit of a mild spider infestation... a bit annoying (especially because you are not allowed to kill anything during the course) but nothing serious.
Now I would like to point out that this blog is open to the public. However, it is primarily just a diary for me to write down my thoughts on stuff, and for mates and family to chat or comment. I'm open to other points of view and I'm happy for strangers to comment. Note however that if you are a big Goenka fan and you are offended by this, then frankly I don't care. Its my opinion. If you want to comment on it, feel free to do so politely, respectfully and concisely. I don't mind this becoming a (limited) forum for debate but thats not really the purpose so I have no qualms about deleting any comment I see fit. I have to mention this now as I've seen many people being critical of the Goenka method on the internet, who end up receiving a lot of offensive post on this subject. If any of this content annoys you, feel free to observe the sensation and be aware that all things are transient :D.
So, the first day, we all sit down facing the assistant teachers and we are told how this technique is very non-sectarian and scientific. We are then asked to all chant together that we put our trust in the Buddha and his teachings. This, I am thinking, is not really so non-sectarian but I let it slide. Their justification is 'its not the Buddha but the knowledge the Buddha represents', which was a bit of a poor excuse to justify the sectarian nature of the teaching which Goenka learned in a Theravada Buddhist context. Anyway, moving on for the moment.
Then the chanting started. Okay, definitely getting a little sectarian here. I mean, don't tell me this is a non-sectarian technique and chant to me the words of the Buddha in the Buddha's own language. I've got nothing against Buddhism, but lets dispel this myth of non-sectarianism that Goenka is using to sell this technique to the west. Make no mistake, you are learning Buddhism.
For the first 3 days we did Anaparna meditation, which is basically a single point concentration (in this case the area under the nose). All okay I guess, and around day 4 we started doing Vipassana proper. The eating and sleeping regime was a little challenging, but you get used to not eating much for dinner, and the silence was fine for me, but then again I don't really talk much anyway. Doing 10 hours of meditation a day was okay as well, given that we were learning new techniques each day, but I was getting increasing riled by the use of the words 'objective and scientific' that Goenka was again using to sell the technique to western sensibilities. There is nothing objective or scientific about this.
In fact, if you try to identify truth through experience in your own body it is the opposite of objective. As for scientific, well I can't disprove the perception of reality that experienced meditators claim to have realised, so I don't believe it falls in the realm of science either. I'm not saying that all truths can only be found by objective or scientific study and I'm not saying that this itself invalidates the technique, but lets not oversell it.
Around this time, we started getting to the heart of vipassana meditation, and we started to talk about equanimity. It is an interesting notion that if you remain equanimous to both the good and bad things that happen to you in life, you will reach contentment. I'm just not sure that its true. It seems clear that its good to be equanimous to the bad things, but do we really need to be equanimous to the good as well? They claim that the good leads to attachment which is supposedly just as bad, but I really don't think it is. I'm attached to many things and in some cases its great. I'm attached to my wife, and to music, and to a good book. I'm attached to having a drink with my friends or having dinner with family. I don't want to spend my life 'observing the good things, being aware that all things are transient and letting the emotions pass'. Sod that, I want to live my life. Lets not forget that this technique is mainly practiced in Asia by monks, who have abstained from the world. I am not a monk and I don't really want to be one.
Here is the positive - around day 6, when I had been observing with dispassionate equanimity an intense pain in my hip, I was able to use my mind to reduce the pain from something spreading over the entire right side of my body to a single point. Great. A handy trick. Does that mean 'equanimity is happiness'? Nope.
Its okay to teach a philosophy that I don't necessarily agree with. I don't have a problem with that in itself, since I don't believe in many things that people tell me. But here is the tricky part: when you are in the process of meditating, Goenka will repeat this philosophy to you, in his slow, repetitive, deep voice, directly into your subconcious just like a hypnotherapist would do when he his helping you visualise something or focus on a memory (I have done both now and for me the similarities are too blatant to ignore).
To me, this smacks of brainwashing. Also, he claims that people who practice this technique can feel the atomic 'wave packets' in their body. Honesty I'm getting a little sick of people misusing quantum physics to add validity to their spiritual claims. Of course you can't feel the atoms in your body being exchanged with the universe. So, it seems clear to me (given the atmosphere of blatant conditioning at the retreat) that people who feel this are actually feeling tingling sensations in their body, and calling them atoms because that is what they have been conditioned to believe.
On day 7, I realised that I wasn't able to meditate properly anymore. My annoyance with Goenka had reached a point where I could meditate up to the point where he starts chanting, then as soon as I heard his voice, I stopped. My issues with the whole fake 'scientific objective and rational' thing, combined with the disturbing brainwashing element, were too much to ignore. I felt I was really wasting my time at this point.
I explained my thoughts to the teacher, who tried to justify the technique to me, but failed. In the end we mutually agreed that it would be better if I just left. He was quite gracious about it, actually.
After all this, what do I believe? Well, people who do this properly spend their whole lives dedicated to meditation. People who do Goenka's 10 day course and come out of it thinking they have understood some fundamental truth about the world are kidding themselves, and now I think I see why - this course has many elements of hypnotic suggestion. Maybe somewhere in living in the mountains in a cave in India there is a man standing naked on his head for 20 years who really does understand the secrets of the universe. Its possible I guess.
Moving away from Goenka for the moment, I'm not saying that the Vipassana technique itself is necessarily wrong, but if it is a requirement to accept that 'equanimity is happiness' then maybe I'm just not ready to accept that. Perhaps when I'm an old man I'll consider abstaining from the world and becoming a monk, but there are too many earthly pleasures to revel in (and become attached too if necessary) first. Until then, remember that this kind of meditation is really the penultimate stage on the buddhist (or yogic) 8 fold path (just one away from nirvana). If this path is the true ultimate destiny of man, I don't believe man was meant to jump from step 1 to step 7 anyway.
1.yama, ethics, restraint and ahimsa,
2.niyama, cleanliness, ascetism, etc.
3.asana, posture
4.pranayama, breath-control
5.pratyahara, sense-withdrawal
6.dharana, concentration
7.dhyana meditation, and
8.samadhi, oneness with the Pranava of the Ishvara.
(straight from wikipedia btw :))
For now I'm quite happy to stick with 1 and 2, doing 3 and 4 whenever it suits me. As for Vipassana, I'd rather know nothing than know something that is false. Even if it was true, I won't have a true experience of it by being brainwashed into believing it. Maybe I'll learn it the long hard way when I'm an old man, probably not in a 10 day course of introductory Buddhism.
Until then I'll follow the advice of my dad, who speaks the occasional gem of wisdom if you listen closely enough: "Why are you young people worrying about all this religion and philosophy? Just live your life."
Saturday, 13 March 2010
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Great blog - I started a Vipassana but left on day four because I hated the chanting --- especially at the end when everyone in the Hall says "Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu" --- I had to put my hands over my ears but I still couldn't block it out entirely. Ugh! It just creeped me out. Then the straw came on the fourth day when he said, now I am going to take a scalpel to your brain (well, no-one can say they weren't warned) and I thought not if I have any say in it you are! So I left, it wasn't for me... I can't stick the rules either, the "female course boundary" signposts (in the middle of the grass so you can't go over onto that other patch of green) or I don't know, it kicked off the immature "just feck off with your rules and boundaries" side of me.
ReplyDeleteI think it is brainwashing pure and simple, and he as much says so - by his joking well, if it is brainwashing perhaps your brain needs to be washed.... and yours Goenkaji???? Nah, not for me.
The rules were getting a bit ridiculous its true. The whole thing about not pointing your feet at someone is common in Asia and I understand, but it is nothing but comical to me that we have to sit lower than and not point our feet at a *videotaped recording* of Goenka talking about how rational and non-cultist the whole thing is :)
ReplyDeleteActually I had many other similar issues at the course that I didn't mention, that I left out partly because I'm too lazy too write a paper on it and also because I didn't want the tone to come across as too vitriolic. In fact I find it hard to get annoyed with the institution - they did feed me and give me a bed for free for 7 days. And I did choose to attend of my own free will, although the information they give you before is, in my mind, quite misleading.
I really don't have a problem with people teaching religion, even in a (apologies if this sounds a bit extreme, no bad will intended) brainwashing cult bootcamp, but I wouldn't have attended on that basis myself.
Anyway, thanks for the comment. I'd welcome the other side of the argument if anyone else wants to pitch in. Nice and polite please.
Sri
p.s. if you are interested in someone who actually could be bothered to write a (rather comprehensive) paper on the issues with the Goenka course then see Harmanjit's blog...
http://harmanjit.blogspot.com/2007/07/critique-of-vipassana-as-taught-by-mr-s.html
...the rest of the blog is pretty good too.
Hei Sri. I just came across your blog post when I was looking for some Vipassana chants. Ha! Ironic no? I just finished my 1st 10 day course a few weeks ago. I must say that I had a totally different experience. (and my blog post is a bit different from yours!)
ReplyDeleteI don't think I was brainwashed. And I do think that the technique is non-sectarian---I believe that the chanting is to help first timers to focus on what they are supposed to be doing. That is what it did for me anyway---or else I would have kept day-dreaming. Also, I think that the underlying theory to attachment and aversion is not necessarily to not feel pain or to not enjoy your life (I think that is EXACTLY what he was trying to say). I understood the whole attachment and aversion thing to mean to stay in the now...don't think that this feeling will last until the future....tomorrow could be shit or it could be great...just roll with it. Likewise, don't dilly dally in the past---it stops you from enjoying the now....
I also think it is about timing. If I had tried to do this course just two or three months ago, it would not have worked. But after a year of self analysis (I call it my year of suffering) it came at the perfect time to bring together a lot of things I was thinking about...and to be able to have the quiet time to answer the questions I needed to answer my self (rather than forcing my family, friends and boyfriends to answer them).
But Sri. The one thing you forgot to mention that did in fact irk me was that damn chant at the end....for metta panna.
Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepppppppppppiiiiiiii
All I kept thinking was: Dear Jesus JUST FINISH YOUR BLOODY SENTENCE!
Thanks for your post. It was amusing.
Best of luck on your world wide travels.
(Goenka: Cough, cough. "Take five minutes rest and then come back to work." Noisy detachment of microphone)
Aishia
-a chic living in Botswana who previously thought this was the place that people came to when they were ready to die. But now. I don't think it is so bad at all.
I am happy to just Be.
Be Happy. (wink)
Hi Aishia,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your post. I guess we'll have to agree to disagee on the sectarian vs non-sectarian side of things... that seemed pretty clear to me. I can see how you might interpret the equanimity thing differently though, and it is possible that I just didn't 'get it' at the time. Or maybe the dubious science that went with it just made me see only the negative interpretation.
Either way, I'm glad you got something out of the course and that you found what you needed. Maybe one day my mind will change when I am 'ready' (or maybe not). Maybe one day I'll try it again, but then again there is a whole world of meditation techniques out there to try so who knows.
And, at the risk of irking you further:
Be Happy!
Sri
so many people get bothered by this and that, if its not goenka then its your loud-breathing neighbour. It comes down to this: your lacking equanimity in your mind, why else would you get upset. these course are not to become upset, there here to become 0ff-set.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous,
ReplyDeleteIf I understand you correctly, you are saying that being bothered by an aspect of the course means that you haven´t understood the course. I think its a bit of a circular argument that leave no room for doubt, so I´m not going to try to argue it with you.
However, bear in mind that I´m also not sold on the virtues of equanimity, so I reserve the right to be irritated at what I see as the false logic of Goenka.
That said, if I spend some time (not in the context of a course) thinking about the virtues of equanimity and find that one day I agree with it, I may try it again and try to ignore some of the discourses. Who knows...
Thanks for stopping by.
Sri
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ReplyDeleteHey Sri and Em,
ReplyDeleteI just literally ran away from a 10 day retreat at the same place. Day 4 I freaked out. I'm a creative person and in the past I've done some work with Brainwave technology. You can download it as an App on an iphone. It sends out rhythmic waves that tap into your subconscious. You can select different setting to induce various mental states like 'problem solving' or 'creativity boost' or positive mood' etc.
So day four comes and i get into a state of awareness where my mind becomes so clear that I start to hear brainwaves being omitted from the speakers. I flipped. I focused and honed in on the sound. I couldn't believe my ears. It sounds like a dull rhythmic hum and it's cyclical, I could even hear the transitions of the cycles. I sat and contemplated the situation for a while. I decided to leave the room as soon as I walked out I couldn't hear it anymore. I went back in after a few minutes and heard it again. I went to my room later and meditated and nothing. No sound of brain waves.
I decided to go back into the hall for the group session in the afternoon and I looked at the ceiling. There were speakers all over the ceiling, front, center and sides. As Goenka's voice came in over the top of the brain waves tech, I could still hear it in the background. I must stress that it is on the faintest of volumes.
Now as a creative person that relies on my brain to come up with ideas I flipped out. It occured to me that these guys were using this technology to tap into my subconscious and that didn't sit well with me at all. I didn't like the thought of somebody mining the depths of my mind and tinkering away with it's inner workings. Naturally induced yes, experimental science no. This is scary shit!
CONTINUED
ReplyDeleteAt the end of the class just before having to go into Vipassana I had to speak up so when taking the 5 minute break I approached the teacher and said I had to talk to him in private. I told him I had a freak out moment and in the 4 hours I'd meditated in the hall I couldn't concentrate because all I could hear were the brainwaves being omitted from the speakers. He told me that they don't use anything like that there and to 'trust him because Vipassana is based on truth, they can't lie'. You're not suggesting we do anything like that here do you? (I KNOW WHAT I WAS HEARING.) I told him that I'd contemplated making this decision for the last hour or so and my gut instinct just kept on telling me to go.
With the class locked into Vipassana I took my opportunity to run for it. With no wallet, no phone, no bags. I jumped on a train. It took me hours to get home. BY the time I returned. My girlfriend was in tears being told by Police that the Vipassana centre had called and I had disappeared. The police were also 'apparently' told that I had been hearing sounds and that I was in a bit of a state'. To organise the collection of my bags the following day I had to get in contact with the centre. He denied that he had told the police that he'd said those things. Hmmm.
I'm telling you this, they are a cult and they are brainwashing people. It makes complete sense that they would be using brain wave technology to get into the subconscious as the whole point of Vipassana is to cleanse the mind through the subconscious. I've just started exploring Vipassana and websites and forums dealing with cults and brainwashing to see what exists. Yours is the first blog I've posted on since getting back to Sydney yesterday. I'm still a bit freaked. Thank god for my brain and previous experience with brain waves. There is no way that an untrained ear could pick it up, mine did.
When I picked up my stuff today I switched on my phone to see the battery had only 10% charge left on it. When I switched it off 4 days ago it was at 3/4 charge. I'm now worried that they may have gone through my phone, my emails, may have downloaded stuff I just don't know. I may sound a little paranoid perhaps but they're not right. I was having a great time up until the moment I heard the brainwaves then all my alarm bells went off. I really can understand how people slowly get sucked into cults, it's easy really. (Good food and seclusion from the outside world. ) I've got a friend that has done this course 8 times. Wait until I speak to him tomorrow.
At the end of the class just before having to go into Vipassana I had to speak up so when taking the 5 minute break I approached the teacher and said I had to talk to him in private. I told him I had a freak out moment and in the 4 hours I'd meditated in the hall I couldn't concentrate because all I could hear were the brainwaves being omitted from the speakers. He told me that they don't use anything like that there and to 'trust him because Vipassana is based on truth, they can't lie'. You're not suggesting we do anything like that here do you? (I KNOW WHAT I WAS HEARING.) I told him that I'd contemplated making this decision for the last hour or so and my gut instinct just kept on telling me to go.
ReplyDeleteWith the class locked into Vipassana I took my opportunity to run for it. With no wallet, no phone, no bags. I jumped on a train. It took me hours to get home. BY the time I returned. My girlfriend was in tears being told by Police that the Vipassana centre had called and I had disappeared. The police were also 'apparently' told that I had been hearing sounds and that I was in a bit of a state'. To organise the collection of my bags the following day I had to get in contact with the centre. He denied that he had told the police that he'd said those things. Hmmm.
I'm telling you this, they are a cult and they are brainwashing people. It makes complete sense that they would be using brain wave technology to get into the subconscious as the whole point of Vipassana is to cleanse the mind through the subconscious. I've just started exploring Vipassana and websites and forums dealing with cults and brainwashing to see what exists. Yours is the first blog I've posted on since getting back to Sydney yesterday. I'm still a bit freaked. Thank god for my brain and previous experience with brain waves. There is no way that an untrained ear could pick it up, mine did.
When I picked up my stuff today I switched on my phone to see the battery had only 10% charge left on it. When I switched it off 4 days ago it was at 3/4 charge. I'm now worried that they may have gone through my phone, my emails, may have downloaded stuff I just don't know. I may sound a little paranoid perhaps but they're not right. I was having a great time up until the moment I heard the brainwaves then all my alarm bells went off. I really can understand how people slowly get sucked into cults, it's easy really. (Good food and seclusion from the outside world. ) I've got a friend that has done this course 8 times. Wait until I speak to him tomorrow.
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ReplyDeleteI can only feel sorry for the annonympus " Brain-wave Expert". Dude, please go to a psychiatrist and get help for your paranoia.
ReplyDeleteThe Vipassana folk do request people with mental health issues to not join their course, as they are not trained to deal with such issues. So, you cannot blame them, for their alarmed response, when you just ran, from the place, leaving your important belongings.They were concerned for your safety, and had to report it to police. A person in his right mind, would have asked for his belongings, and then left.Your paranoia continues, with your statement about your cellphone, and your e-mail... and what else. I really hope you get some help.
another anonymous - i also had problems with these guys - i was a real lover of them until i started having problems...when they start trying to kick you out..It is the teaching of the buddha - so it is not non-sectarian - and if anyone disagrees with goenka they are "wrong" - sectarian AND cultish....
ReplyDeleteAnd -if you "do" have problems you can be labelled mentally ill, thus barring you from the course - and them from any responsibility....scientology also does similar - BUT dhamma is about curing suffering - very strange
ReplyDeletehave a look at this...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.messagefrommasters.com/Meditation/Awareness/vipassana_comes_in_end.htm
what they teach is one of many variations of vipassana - which Ba Khin learned from monks and others who also studied with monks - what is unique about it IS a good question - awareness of impermanence or anicca the main thing...Ba Khin had many students and thus many know and taught his methods - and goenka is just one of many...
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ReplyDeleteGoenka's chanting is horrible. It sounds like a dying animal and definitely does not put me in a more meditative state. And it takes ages. :)
ReplyDeleteHi Sri,
ReplyDeleteHaving just completed a 10-day Vipassana course and having read you blog, I feel a need to respond, mostly out of fairness to potential students who happen upon you blog and secondly out of support for you.
I am by no means offended by you aversion to the course. I get the impression that as opposed to a diary, you have perhaps written this as a means to justify yourself for not sticking the course out.
You ask, "do we really need to be equanimous to the good as well?" I personally was in the habit of giving too much free reign to my whims and cravings, so I think the tool and equanimity is very useful in this regard. This doesn't mean that one can't enjoy something that takes one's fancy, but it definitely helps in self-restraint. Of course you can enjoy your "wife", "music" and a "good book", and by understanding that all things are transient you might well enjoy them and appreciate them all the more. But I think it might help you to recognize your own negative attachments, bearing in mind that Vipassana does not require to give up your "wife", or anything else that you love and enjoy, but it does provide you with skill of self-observation which might well serve to gain control over our minds.
I fully empathize with the physical pain in your hip as I too had what at the time I considered to be extreme pain around day 5-6 and I thought I would not be able to manage the one-hour sittings, but the pain really did decrease and my ability to remain equanimous is still increasing with my continued practice.
I don't feel conditioned, much less brainwashed, and as for feeling the vibrating atoms, I don't pretend to feel this, and actually agree with you that my sensations are more akin to tingling, but that's not the point. The point is gaining control of one's own mind and to learn to be able to direct it as opposed to being led or trapped by emotions. And who's to say that a dedicated and liberated Vipassana mediator might not come to feel these vibration sensations. I feel that your annoyance with Goenka is probably a reflection of your annoyance with yourself. I think it is a mistake to over intellectualize without giving the technique a fair chance. The technique, although hard work, is simple and requires practice and determination.
Something, whatever it was, attracted you to start the course, but basically you dropped out so the value of your opinion is limited at best. It is a big step merely to decide to take the course and I congratulate you for that, but again, don't think it's fair on potential students to put them off because you weren't able at the time to stick it out. I also don't blame you for not sticking it out. I went with a friend who left on day 5. He simply acknowledged that he wasn't feeling mentally strong enough right then, but he would like to give it another chance when he feels more up to it. I encourage you to consider the same thing, as I get the impression that you kind of regret not sticking it out.
Someone here claims that the info is misleading, but I in no way feel misled and was perfectly aware that I was signing up for some of the most serious hard work and commitment of my life and sticking with it was one of the best decisions I've ever made.
As far as the chanting goes, as a new student at the time, I fully agree with Aisha that it and the instructions were a big help to gain focus for my wondering mind.
All said and done, I hope you reconsider your stance and understand that our aversions are our own; nobody gives them to us, and give Vipassana another shot at some point. May not next month, but don't close the door to this great opportunity. Perhaps during your world travels isn't the best time for self-observation as you must be all keyed up for adventure and a more fitting time might be when you're at home and ready for some serious personal work. All the best! Richard.
I have a friend I've known for 28 years who has been on medication for depression for along time, but who went to this course last October. I didn't realize at the time what it was. She normally hosts a Christmas Eve do for a circle of friends including myself and my young son, who she helped me deliver nearly 12 ago - she was my 'doula'. This year there was no dinner, but she didn't say anything about it - so I had to ask. A quiet Christmas planned, she said. I caught up with her briefly on NYE but when I asked her about key people in her life like her grown son and teenaged daughter - about whom she cares passionately - she gave strangely detached answers. She doesn't see her son any more. When she goes round Australia next year, she has no idea what her 16-17yo will do. Her daughter's lovely boyfriend is apparently also someone they don't see anymore because "he's a dickhead." And that was all I could get out of her.
ReplyDeleteSince last July she's been encouraging me to come for early-morning swims with her, which is a time I just can't make at the moment. We did see each other for a chat and an afternoon swim about a week ago, when she listened to what was going on in my life and then leapt in the pool rather suddenly. Once in the pool most of her conversation was directed to the benefits of early morning swimming! And she told me she's eating only once a day. She calls herself a "selfish c--t" at night if she feels hungry to dissuade herself from eating. She's certainly lost weight and is looking good.
But then when she later texted in the belief that I was going to start swimming with her at 8.30am, and I laid it on the line that for one reason and another I can't make this time, she cut off contact, ultimately saying she has little insight into my life, and asking me not to text her again.
Having now read quite a bit about Vipassana, I'm very concerned. I think it's likely she's come off her meds to do the course. Does anyone know if it's compulsory to come off anti-depressants to do the course - or would they allow someone to stay on them? As she's continuing the strictures around eating, it seems likely she's also meditating twice a day, as I believe this is what they recommend, although she hasn't actually told me this. But I'm now seriously concerned for her mental health.
I rang the centre in Blackheath to express my concerns, and the first thing they asked was whether she was free to go back for another course! They had no other suggestions, other than that I ring our local Mental Health Care team.
In a paper titled: "Vipassana Meditation: A Unique Contribution to Mental Health" by Paul R. Fleischman, M.D.", it says "Vipassana courses are not appropriate for the treatment of psychiatric disorders, nor for people with disorganizing mental states. People who require medication to control their emotions should refrain from Vipassana courses until their prescribing physician and they themselves feel confident that they can be both medication-free and able to participate in a course without harming or endangering themselves."
DeleteWhy not send a link of you post here to your friend and let her respond?
Metta!
Richard